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Unrepentent Massachusetts Teen Driver Sentenced For Killing By Text, 1 year..
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Mars Upton
2012-08-02 08:38:30 UTC
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The punk.

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A Massachusetts teenager on Wednesday became the first person in
that state to be convicted of causing a fatal traffic accident
while texting, and a judge sentenced him to one year in jail.

Aaron Deveau of Haverhill, Mass. was sentenced to 2 1/2 years
behind bars with a year to serve and the remainder suspended for
the February 2011 crash that took the life of Donald Bowley Jr.,
55, of Danville, N.H., and seriously injured Bowley's girlfriend.

Prosecutors say the then 17-year-old high school student sent
193 text messages the day of the crash, including some just a
minute or so before impact and dozens more after it.

Deveau testified Tuesday, saying he was not sending or receiving
text messages in the moments before the collision. He said he
put his phone on the passenger seat and was distracted and
thinking about his homework when the crash occurred. He told
police after the crash that he swerved to avoid another vehicle
in front of him that suddenly hit its brakes.

Prosecutors knew that the teen had been texting even though the
accused had tried to delete some texts from his phone after the
accident. An analysis of Deveau's phone records, obtained during
the investigation, revealed his texting pattern and the court
did not believe texting did not contribute to the fatal accident.

As a majority of states have adopted anti-texting laws, police
and prosecutors have had little problem obtaining court orders
for phone records that show a defendant's texting behavior
during the time of a vehicular accident.

But police do say that enforcing anti-texting laws in the
absence of an accident is very difficult.

"In theory it's [the anti-texting while driving law] a great
law. It's just tough to enforce," Lt. Kevin Walsh of Wareham,
Mass. told SouthCoastToday.com.

"It's tough when you're driving around to actually see them
texting," Dartmouth, Mass. Detective Robert Levinson also told
the website.

In order for police in any state to hand out a ticket or pull a
driver over, an officer has to actually see a driver doing it.

The Department of Transportation is considering new regulations
that would severely restrict the ability to use cell-phones and
smart-phones in cars while they are moving, including mandating
equipment that would jam phone calls and texts from coming and
going if a car is moving faster than 10 miles per hour.

Meantime, auto companies are introducing gadgetry to their
newest vehicles that allow a driver to have texts and even
Facebook updates read aloud while a driver is operating a
vehicle, and for the driver to be able to respond hands-free
through audio-to-text software. Regulators, however, are not
keen on that level of distractions in the car even if it is
hands-free.


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Harry K
2012-08-02 14:41:38 UTC
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Post by Mars Upton
The punk.
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06072012.jpg
A Massachusetts teenager on Wednesday became the first person in
that state to be convicted of causing a fatal traffic accident
while texting, and a judge sentenced him to one year in jail.
Aaron Deveau of Haverhill, Mass. was sentenced to 2 1/2 years
behind bars with a year to serve and the remainder suspended for
the February 2011 crash that took the life of Donald Bowley Jr.,
55, of Danville, N.H., and seriously injured Bowley's girlfriend.
Prosecutors say the then 17-year-old high school student sent
193 text messages the day of the crash, including some just a
minute or so before impact and dozens more after it.
Deveau testified Tuesday, saying he was not sending or receiving
text messages in the moments before the collision. He said he
put his phone on the passenger seat and was distracted and
thinking about his homework when the crash occurred. He told
police after the crash that he swerved to avoid another vehicle
in front of him that suddenly hit its brakes.
Prosecutors knew that the teen had been texting even though the
accused had tried to delete some texts from his phone after the
accident. An analysis of Deveau's phone records, obtained during
the investigation, revealed his texting pattern and the court
did not believe texting did not contribute to the fatal accident.
As a majority of states have adopted anti-texting laws, police
and prosecutors have had little problem obtaining court orders
for phone records that show a defendant's texting behavior
during the time of a vehicular accident.
But police do say that enforcing anti-texting laws in the
absence of an accident is very difficult.
"In theory it's [the anti-texting while driving law] a great
law. It's just tough to enforce," Lt. Kevin Walsh of Wareham,
Mass. told SouthCoastToday.com.
"It's tough when you're driving around to actually see them
texting," Dartmouth, Mass. Detective Robert Levinson also told
the website.
In order for police in any state to hand out a ticket or pull a
driver over, an officer has to actually see a driver doing it.
The Department of Transportation is considering new regulations
that would severely restrict the ability to use cell-phones and
smart-phones in cars while they are moving, including mandating
equipment that would jam phone calls and texts from coming and
going if a car is moving faster than 10 miles per hour.
Meantime, auto companies are introducing gadgetry to their
newest vehicles that allow a driver to have texts and even
Facebook updates read aloud while a driver is operating a
vehicle, and for the driver to be able to respond hands-free
through audio-to-text software. Regulators, however, are not
keen on that level of distractions in the car even if it is
hands-free.
http://autos.aol.com/article/teen-sentenced-for-killing-by-
text/?ncid=txtlnkusauto00000020
The entire CP use while driving, talkign, texting, whatever needs to
be stopped including hands free.

It will only be done when all useage except 911 of a cp is somehow
disabled when
t he vehicle is in motion.

People have proven that they have no self control when it comes to
"play toys". If a call is important, pull over and stop.

Harry K
Alan Baker
2012-08-03 03:37:07 UTC
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Post by Harry K
Post by Mars Upton
The punk.
http://o.aolcdn.com/os/autos/photos/aaron-deveau-texting-
06072012.jpg
A Massachusetts teenager on Wednesday became the first person in
that state to be convicted of causing a fatal traffic accident
while texting, and a judge sentenced him to one year in jail.
Aaron Deveau of Haverhill, Mass. was sentenced to 2 1/2 years
behind bars with a year to serve and the remainder suspended for
the February 2011 crash that took the life of Donald Bowley Jr.,
55, of Danville, N.H., and seriously injured Bowley's girlfriend.
Prosecutors say the then 17-year-old high school student sent
193 text messages the day of the crash, including some just a
minute or so before impact and dozens more after it.
Deveau testified Tuesday, saying he was not sending or receiving
text messages in the moments before the collision. He said he
put his phone on the passenger seat and was distracted and
thinking about his homework when the crash occurred. He told
police after the crash that he swerved to avoid another vehicle
in front of him that suddenly hit its brakes.
Prosecutors knew that the teen had been texting even though the
accused had tried to delete some texts from his phone after the
accident. An analysis of Deveau's phone records, obtained during
the investigation, revealed his texting pattern and the court
did not believe texting did not contribute to the fatal accident.
As a majority of states have adopted anti-texting laws, police
and prosecutors have had little problem obtaining court orders
for phone records that show a defendant's texting behavior
during the time of a vehicular accident.
But police do say that enforcing anti-texting laws in the
absence of an accident is very difficult.
"In theory it's [the anti-texting while driving law] a great
law. It's just tough to enforce," Lt. Kevin Walsh of Wareham,
Mass. told SouthCoastToday.com.
"It's tough when you're driving around to actually see them
texting," Dartmouth, Mass. Detective Robert Levinson also told
the website.
In order for police in any state to hand out a ticket or pull a
driver over, an officer has to actually see a driver doing it.
The Department of Transportation is considering new regulations
that would severely restrict the ability to use cell-phones and
smart-phones in cars while they are moving, including mandating
equipment that would jam phone calls and texts from coming and
going if a car is moving faster than 10 miles per hour.
Meantime, auto companies are introducing gadgetry to their
newest vehicles that allow a driver to have texts and even
Facebook updates read aloud while a driver is operating a
vehicle, and for the driver to be able to respond hands-free
through audio-to-text software. Regulators, however, are not
keen on that level of distractions in the car even if it is
hands-free.
http://autos.aol.com/article/teen-sentenced-for-killing-by-
text/?ncid=txtlnkusauto00000020
The entire CP use while driving, talkign, texting, whatever needs to
be stopped including hands free.
It will only be done when all useage except 911 of a cp is somehow
disabled when
t he vehicle is in motion.
People have proven that they have no self control when it comes to
"play toys". If a call is important, pull over and stop.
Harry K
Should you make it illegal for drivers to talk to their passengers,
listen to the radio, change a CD?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
Harry K
2012-08-03 16:09:59 UTC
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Post by Harry K
Post by Mars Upton
The punk.
http://o.aolcdn.com/os/autos/photos/aaron-deveau-texting-
06072012.jpg
A Massachusetts teenager on Wednesday became the first person in
that state to be convicted of causing a fatal traffic accident
while texting, and a judge sentenced him to one year in jail.
Aaron Deveau of Haverhill, Mass. was sentenced to 2 1/2 years
behind bars with a year to serve and the remainder suspended for
the February 2011 crash that took the life of Donald Bowley Jr.,
55, of Danville, N.H., and seriously injured Bowley's girlfriend.
Prosecutors say the then 17-year-old high school student sent
193 text messages the day of the crash, including some just a
minute or so before impact and dozens more after it.
Deveau testified Tuesday, saying he was not sending or receiving
text messages in the moments before the collision. He said he
put his phone on the passenger seat and was distracted and
thinking about his homework when the crash occurred. He told
police after the crash that he swerved to avoid another vehicle
in front of him that suddenly hit its brakes.
Prosecutors knew that the teen had been texting even though the
accused had tried to delete some texts from his phone after the
accident. An analysis of Deveau's phone records, obtained during
the investigation, revealed his texting pattern and the court
did not believe texting did not contribute to the fatal accident.
As a majority of states have adopted anti-texting laws, police
and prosecutors have had little problem obtaining court orders
for phone records that show a defendant's texting behavior
during the time of a vehicular accident.
But police do say that enforcing anti-texting laws in the
absence of an accident is very difficult.
"In theory it's [the anti-texting while driving law] a great
law. It's just tough to enforce," Lt. Kevin Walsh of Wareham,
Mass. told SouthCoastToday.com.
"It's tough when you're driving around to actually see them
texting," Dartmouth, Mass. Detective Robert Levinson also told
the website.
In order for police in any state to hand out a ticket or pull a
driver over, an officer has to actually see a driver doing it.
The Department of Transportation is considering new regulations
that would severely restrict the ability to use cell-phones and
smart-phones in cars while they are moving, including mandating
equipment that would jam phone calls and texts from coming and
going if a car is moving faster than 10 miles per hour.
Meantime, auto companies are introducing gadgetry to their
newest vehicles that allow a driver to have texts and even
Facebook updates read aloud while a driver is operating a
vehicle, and for the driver to be able to respond hands-free
through audio-to-text software. Regulators, however, are not
keen on that level of distractions in the car even if it is
hands-free.
http://autos.aol.com/article/teen-sentenced-for-killing-by-
text/?ncid=txtlnkusauto00000020
The entire CP use while driving, talkign, texting, whatever needs to
be stopped including hands free.
It will only be done when all useage except 911 of a cp is somehow
disabled when
t he vehicle is in motion.
People have proven that they have no self control when it comes to
"play toys".  If a call is important, pull over and stop.
Harry K
Should you make it illegal for drivers to talk to their passengers,
listen to the radio, change a CD?
--
Alan Baker
Vancouver, British Columbia
"If you raise the ceiling four feet, move the fireplace from that wall
to that wall, you'll still only get the full stereophonic effect if you
sit in the bottom of that cupboard."
The usual moronic response giving examples of things that take seconds
to a problem that goes on for minutes. From that it appears you want
no restrictions at all on electronic gadget use by drivers.

Harry K
Harold Burton
2012-08-06 00:31:36 UTC
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Post by Mars Upton
The punk.
http://o.aolcdn.com/os/autos/photos/aaron-deveau-texting-
06072012.jpg
A Massachusetts teenager on Wednesday became the first person in
that state to be convicted of causing a fatal traffic accident
while texting, and a judge sentenced him to one year in jail.
Aaron Deveau of Haverhill, Mass. was sentenced to 2 1/2 years
behind bars with a year to serve and the remainder suspended for
the February 2011 crash that took the life of Donald Bowley Jr.,
55, of Danville, N.H., and seriously injured Bowley's girlfriend.
Prosecutors say the then 17-year-old high school student sent
193 text messages the day of the crash, including some just a
minute or so before impact and dozens more after it.
Deveau testified Tuesday, saying he was not sending or receiving
text messages in the moments before the collision. He said he
put his phone on the passenger seat and was distracted and
thinking about his homework when the crash occurred. He told
police after the crash that he swerved to avoid another vehicle
in front of him that suddenly hit its brakes.
Prosecutors knew that the teen had been texting even though the
accused had tried to delete some texts from his phone after the
accident. An analysis of Deveau's phone records, obtained during
the investigation, revealed his texting pattern and the court
did not believe texting did not contribute to the fatal accident.
As a majority of states have adopted anti-texting laws, police
and prosecutors have had little problem obtaining court orders
for phone records that show a defendant's texting behavior
during the time of a vehicular accident.
But police do say that enforcing anti-texting laws in the
absence of an accident is very difficult.
"In theory it's [the anti-texting while driving law] a great
law. It's just tough to enforce," Lt. Kevin Walsh of Wareham,
Mass. told SouthCoastToday.com.
"It's tough when you're driving around to actually see them
texting," Dartmouth, Mass. Detective Robert Levinson also told
the website.
In order for police in any state to hand out a ticket or pull a
driver over, an officer has to actually see a driver doing it.
The Department of Transportation is considering new regulations
that would severely restrict the ability to use cell-phones and
smart-phones in cars while they are moving, including mandating
equipment that would jam phone calls and texts from coming and
going if a car is moving faster than 10 miles per hour.
Meantime, auto companies are introducing gadgetry to their
newest vehicles that allow a driver to have texts and even
Facebook updates read aloud while a driver is operating a
vehicle, and for the driver to be able to respond hands-free
through audio-to-text software. Regulators, however, are not
keen on that level of distractions in the car even if it is
hands-free.
http://autos.aol.com/article/teen-sentenced-for-killing-by-
text/?ncid=txtlnkusauto00000020
The entire CP use while driving, talkign, texting, whatever needs to
be stopped including hands free.
It will only be done when all useage except 911 of a cp is somehow
disabled when
t he vehicle is in motion.
People have proven that they have no self control when it comes to
"play toys". If a call is important, pull over and stop.
Harry K
Should you make it illegal for drivers to talk to their passengers,
listen to the radio, change a CD?
Did anyone suggest it should be make illegal?



snicker
John W Gintell
2012-08-03 22:10:14 UTC
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Post by Mars Upton
The punk.
http://o.aolcdn.com/os/autos/photos/aaron-deveau-texting-
06072012.jpg
A Massachusetts teenager on Wednesday became the first person in
that state to be convicted of causing a fatal traffic accident
while texting, and a judge sentenced him to one year in jail.
Aaron Deveau of Haverhill, Mass. was sentenced to 2 1/2 years
behind bars with a year to serve and the remainder suspended for
the February 2011 crash that took the life of Donald Bowley Jr.,
55, of Danville, N.H., and seriously injured Bowley's girlfriend.
Prosecutors say the then 17-year-old high school student sent
193 text messages the day of the crash, including some just a
minute or so before impact and dozens more after it.
Deveau testified Tuesday, saying he was not sending or receiving
text messages in the moments before the collision. He said he
put his phone on the passenger seat and was distracted and
thinking about his homework when the crash occurred. He told
police after the crash that he swerved to avoid another vehicle
in front of him that suddenly hit its brakes.
Prosecutors knew that the teen had been texting even though the
accused had tried to delete some texts from his phone after the
accident. An analysis of Deveau's phone records, obtained during
the investigation, revealed his texting pattern and the court
did not believe texting did not contribute to the fatal accident.
As a majority of states have adopted anti-texting laws, police
and prosecutors have had little problem obtaining court orders
for phone records that show a defendant's texting behavior
during the time of a vehicular accident.
But police do say that enforcing anti-texting laws in the
absence of an accident is very difficult.
"In theory it's [the anti-texting while driving law] a great
law. It's just tough to enforce," Lt. Kevin Walsh of Wareham,
Mass. told SouthCoastToday.com.
"It's tough when you're driving around to actually see them
texting," Dartmouth, Mass. Detective Robert Levinson also told
the website.
In order for police in any state to hand out a ticket or pull a
driver over, an officer has to actually see a driver doing it.
The Department of Transportation is considering new regulations
that would severely restrict the ability to use cell-phones and
smart-phones in cars while they are moving, including mandating
equipment that would jam phone calls and texts from coming and
going if a car is moving faster than 10 miles per hour.
Meantime, auto companies are introducing gadgetry to their
newest vehicles that allow a driver to have texts and even
Facebook updates read aloud while a driver is operating a
vehicle, and for the driver to be able to respond hands-free
through audio-to-text software. Regulators, however, are not
keen on that level of distractions in the car even if it is
hands-free.
http://autos.aol.com/article/teen-sentenced-for-killing-by-
text/?ncid=txtlnkusauto00000020
Instead of treating like a criminal I'd say a better idea would have been to
make him be a poster boy / outreach person to advocate for not texting or
talking on the phone while driving. He could go to schools and teen
organizations under supervision and talk about this. Do it for a year - making
2-3 visits every day. This would probably be cheaper than imprisonment; and
might have a strong influence on a lot of other people.
Harry K
2012-08-04 19:09:56 UTC
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Post by John W Gintell
Post by Mars Upton
The punk.
http://o.aolcdn.com/os/autos/photos/aaron-deveau-texting-
06072012.jpg
A Massachusetts teenager on Wednesday became the first person in
that state to be convicted of causing a fatal traffic accident
while texting, and a judge sentenced him to one year in jail.
Aaron Deveau of Haverhill, Mass. was sentenced to 2 1/2 years
behind bars with a year to serve and the remainder suspended for
the February 2011 crash that took the life of Donald Bowley Jr.,
55, of Danville, N.H., and seriously injured Bowley's girlfriend.
Prosecutors say the then 17-year-old high school student sent
193 text messages the day of the crash, including some just a
minute or so before impact and dozens more after it.
Deveau testified Tuesday, saying he was not sending or receiving
text messages in the moments before the collision. He said he
put his phone on the passenger seat and was distracted and
thinking about his homework when the crash occurred. He told
police after the crash that he swerved to avoid another vehicle
in front of him that suddenly hit its brakes.
Prosecutors knew that the teen had been texting even though the
accused had tried to delete some texts from his phone after the
accident. An analysis of Deveau's phone records, obtained during
the investigation, revealed his texting pattern and the court
did not believe texting did not contribute to the fatal accident.
As a majority of states have adopted anti-texting laws, police
and prosecutors have had little problem obtaining court orders
for phone records that show a defendant's texting behavior
during the time of a vehicular accident.
But police do say that enforcing anti-texting laws in the
absence of an accident is very difficult.
"In theory it's [the anti-texting while driving law] a great
law. It's just tough to enforce," Lt. Kevin Walsh of Wareham,
Mass. told SouthCoastToday.com.
"It's tough when you're driving around to actually see them
texting," Dartmouth, Mass. Detective Robert Levinson also told
the website.
In order for police in any state to hand out a ticket or pull a
driver over, an officer has to actually see a driver doing it.
The Department of Transportation is considering new regulations
that would severely restrict the ability to use cell-phones and
smart-phones in cars while they are moving, including mandating
equipment that would jam phone calls and texts from coming and
going if a car is moving faster than 10 miles per hour.
Meantime, auto companies are introducing gadgetry to their
newest vehicles that allow a driver to have texts and even
Facebook updates read aloud while a driver is operating a
vehicle, and for the driver to be able to respond hands-free
through audio-to-text software. Regulators, however, are not
keen on that level of distractions in the car even if it is
hands-free.
http://autos.aol.com/article/teen-sentenced-for-killing-by-
text/?ncid=txtlnkusauto00000020
Instead of treating like a criminal I'd say a better idea would have been to
make him be a poster boy / outreach person to advocate for not texting or
talking on the phone while driving.  He could go to schools and teen
organizations under supervision and talk about this.  Do it for a year - making
2-3 visits every day.   This would probably be cheaper than imprisonment; and
might have a strong influence on a lot of other people.
Oh yeah, tht will work...just as the same process has stopped all teen
duis, reckless driving etc.

Harry K
Harry K
2012-08-04 19:10:59 UTC
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Post by John W Gintell
Post by Mars Upton
The punk.
http://o.aolcdn.com/os/autos/photos/aaron-deveau-texting-
06072012.jpg
A Massachusetts teenager on Wednesday became the first person in
that state to be convicted of causing a fatal traffic accident
while texting, and a judge sentenced him to one year in jail.
Aaron Deveau of Haverhill, Mass. was sentenced to 2 1/2 years
behind bars with a year to serve and the remainder suspended for
the February 2011 crash that took the life of Donald Bowley Jr.,
55, of Danville, N.H., and seriously injured Bowley's girlfriend.
Prosecutors say the then 17-year-old high school student sent
193 text messages the day of the crash, including some just a
minute or so before impact and dozens more after it.
Deveau testified Tuesday, saying he was not sending or receiving
text messages in the moments before the collision. He said he
put his phone on the passenger seat and was distracted and
thinking about his homework when the crash occurred. He told
police after the crash that he swerved to avoid another vehicle
in front of him that suddenly hit its brakes.
Prosecutors knew that the teen had been texting even though the
accused had tried to delete some texts from his phone after the
accident. An analysis of Deveau's phone records, obtained during
the investigation, revealed his texting pattern and the court
did not believe texting did not contribute to the fatal accident.
As a majority of states have adopted anti-texting laws, police
and prosecutors have had little problem obtaining court orders
for phone records that show a defendant's texting behavior
during the time of a vehicular accident.
But police do say that enforcing anti-texting laws in the
absence of an accident is very difficult.
"In theory it's [the anti-texting while driving law] a great
law. It's just tough to enforce," Lt. Kevin Walsh of Wareham,
Mass. told SouthCoastToday.com.
"It's tough when you're driving around to actually see them
texting," Dartmouth, Mass. Detective Robert Levinson also told
the website.
In order for police in any state to hand out a ticket or pull a
driver over, an officer has to actually see a driver doing it.
The Department of Transportation is considering new regulations
that would severely restrict the ability to use cell-phones and
smart-phones in cars while they are moving, including mandating
equipment that would jam phone calls and texts from coming and
going if a car is moving faster than 10 miles per hour.
Meantime, auto companies are introducing gadgetry to their
newest vehicles that allow a driver to have texts and even
Facebook updates read aloud while a driver is operating a
vehicle, and for the driver to be able to respond hands-free
through audio-to-text software. Regulators, however, are not
keen on that level of distractions in the car even if it is
hands-free.
http://autos.aol.com/article/teen-sentenced-for-killing-by-
text/?ncid=txtlnkusauto00000020
Instead of treating like a criminal I'd say a better idea would have been to
make him be a poster boy / outreach person to advocate for not texting or
talking on the phone while driving.  He could go to schools and teen
organizations under supervision and talk about this.  Do it for a year - making
2-3 visits every day.   This would probably be cheaper than imprisonment; and
might have a strong influence on a lot of other people.
It's not what shoud happen to that driver, it is what could, should,
must be done to stop the activity leading to the disasters.

Harry K
John David Galt
2012-08-04 19:50:44 UTC
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Post by John W Gintell
Instead of treating like a criminal I'd say a better idea would have been to
make him be a poster boy / outreach person to advocate for not texting or
talking on the phone while driving. He could go to schools and teen
organizations under supervision and talk about this. Do it for a year - making
2-3 visits every day. This would probably be cheaper than imprisonment; and
might have a strong influence on a lot of other people.
It's not what shoud happen to that driver, it is what could, should,
must be done to stop the activity leading to the disasters.
What matters is justice, and it is simply not just to ban a widespread activity
which hardly ever results in anybody getting hurt, just because a few people can't
handle it.

Besides, passing such a law isn't going to change anyone's behavior or the death
rate. It will merely annoy the small percentage of drivers who are unlucky enough
to get caught ignoring it.
John W Gintell
2012-08-04 20:46:17 UTC
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Post by John David Galt
Post by Harry K
Post by John W Gintell
Instead of treating like a criminal I'd say a better idea would have been to
make him be a poster boy / outreach person to advocate for not texting or
talking on the phone while driving. He could go to schools and teen
organizations under supervision and talk about this. Do it for a year - making
2-3 visits every day. This would probably be cheaper than imprisonment; and
might have a strong influence on a lot of other people.
It's not what shoud happen to that driver, it is what could, should,
must be done to stop the activity leading to the disasters.
What matters is justice, and it is simply not just to ban a widespread activity
which hardly ever results in anybody getting hurt, just because a few people can't
handle it.
Besides, passing such a law isn't going to change anyone's behavior or the death
rate. It will merely annoy the small percentage of drivers who are unlucky enough
to get caught ignoring it.
The Bible says Thous Shalt Not Steal
The law says that stealing is a crime punishable by fines and jail

I think most people don't steal because their upbringing/education/example
setting as a little child, a student in school, a young adult, etc. is what
instilled in their minds that stealing isn't to be done - whether it is a
siblings toy, a pack of gum or a sandwich from another kid, a package sitting on
the steps of a house, an item on the store shelves, a souvenir on a fellow
workers desk, etc. It's a lot more than the fear of being caught that motivates
people to not do things.
John David Galt
2012-08-05 14:25:30 UTC
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Post by John David Galt
What matters is justice, and it is simply not just to ban a widespread activity
which hardly ever results in anybody getting hurt, just because a few people can't
handle it.
Besides, passing such a law isn't going to change anyone's behavior or the death
rate. It will merely annoy the small percentage of drivers who are unlucky enough
to get caught ignoring it.
The Bible says Thous Shalt Not Steal
The law says that stealing is a crime punishable by fines and jail
I think most people don't steal because their upbringing/education/example setting as a little child, a student in school, a young adult, etc. is what instilled in their minds that stealing isn't to be done - whether it is a siblings toy, a pack of gum or a sandwich from another kid, a package sitting on the steps of a house, an item on the store shelves, a souvenir on a fellow workers desk, etc. It's a lot more than the fear of being caught that motivates people to not do things.
Only when those things are wrong. Phoning simply isn't wrong. No law can make it so.
Harold Burton
2012-08-06 00:30:32 UTC
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What matters is justice, and it is simply not just to ban a widespread activity
which hardly ever results in anybody getting hurt, just because a few people can't
handle it.
Besides, passing such a law isn't going to change anyone's behavior or the death
rate. It will merely annoy the small percentage of drivers who are unlucky enough
to get caught ignoring it.
The Bible says Thous Shalt Not Steal
The law says that stealing is a crime punishable by fines and jail
I think most people don't steal because their upbringing/education/example
setting as a little child, a student in school, a young adult, etc. is what
instilled in their minds that stealing isn't to be done - whether it is a
siblings toy, a pack of gum or a sandwich from another kid, a package
sitting on the steps of a house, an item on the store shelves, a souvenir
on a fellow workers desk, etc. It's a lot more than the fear of being
caught that motivates people to not do things.
Only when those things are wrong. Phoning simply isn't wrong.
Neither is drinking.
Post by John David Galt
No law can make it so.
It did for one person.


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Harold Burton
2012-08-06 00:29:19 UTC
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Post by John W Gintell
Instead of treating like a criminal I'd say a better idea would have been to
make him be a poster boy / outreach person to advocate for not texting or
talking on the phone while driving. He could go to schools and teen
organizations under supervision and talk about this. Do it for a year - making
2-3 visits every day. This would probably be cheaper than imprisonment; and
might have a strong influence on a lot of other people.
It's not what shoud happen to that driver, it is what could, should,
must be done to stop the activity leading to the disasters.
What matters is justice, and it is simply not just to ban a widespread
activity which hardly ever results in anybody getting hurt, just because
a few people can't handle it.
Like DUI, ya mean?


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Criminal Drivers Murder 35,000 Americans a Year
2012-08-06 18:39:23 UTC
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Just ban cell phones from car interiors same way we ban bottles of
booze.
Kenny McCormack
2012-08-06 20:16:31 UTC
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Just ban cell phones from car interiors same way we ban bottles of
booze.
You've got the basic point - which is that the two devices (booze & cell
phones) have exactly the same status. There is no more or less
justification for banning (open) booze from cars than there is for banning
(open) cell phones.
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Harold Burton
2012-08-07 02:22:12 UTC
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Just ban cell phones from car interiors same way we ban bottles of
booze.
We don't ban bottles of booze from car interiors.

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